WASHINGTON (AP) 鈥 The outgoing U.S. ambassador to the United Nations says she watched America鈥檚 leadership diminish in the world during Donald Trump鈥檚 first presidency and China fill the vacuum. Linda Thomas-Greenfield is warning that if it happens again during Trump's second term, adversaries will move in anew.
In a wide-ranging interview with The Associated Press, Thomas-Greenfield said during , the United States again engaged with the world, rebuilt alliances and reestablished America鈥檚 leadership.
鈥淭hat is the gift that we hand over to the next administration,鈥 she said, 鈥渁nd I hope that they will accept that gift in the spirit in which it is being given to them.鈥
Advice to Trump's choice for UN ambassador
In a brief meeting with Trump鈥檚 nominee, , Thomas-Greenfield told her 鈥渢hat the U.N. is important, and that it is important that we not cede any space to our adversaries.鈥
Those rivals 鈥渨ill change the rules of the road," she warned. "And so, U.S. leadership is extraordinarily important.鈥
In his first term, for people to get together, talk and have a good time.鈥 He suspended funding to its health and family planning agencies and withdrew from its cultural and education organization UNESCO and top human rights body. That's raised uncertainty about what's ahead, especially because the United States is the U.N.'s biggest single donor.
Stefanik has called for a 鈥渃omplete reassessment" of U.S. funding for the 193-nation world body, described the U.N. as a 鈥渄en of antisemitism鈥 and urged a continued halt to support for the U.N. agency for Palestinian refugees, known as UNRWA.
Of course, the U.N. isn鈥檛 perfect and needs reforms, Thomas-Greenfield said.
But to those who criticize where little gets done or decisions are ignored, she said she always quotes the late former U.S. ambassador to the U.N. Madeleine Albright, who said 鈥渋f it didn鈥檛 exist, we would invent it.鈥
Thomas-Greenfield stressed the U.N.鈥檚 importance in dealing with major global issues, from war to humanitarian aid and the need to regulate artificial intelligence.
The United States must stay at the table, she said, 鈥渟o that we can have influence and work with the entire system to ensure that the system delivers to the world.鈥
The most important table is the horseshoe-shaped one for the 15 members of the U.N. Security Council, the most powerful U.N. body, which is charged with maintaining international peace and security.
Thomas-Greenfield said she gave Stefanik the same advice she got 鈥 to meet quickly with all of them 鈥 including permanent members Russia and China, rivals with veto power.
鈥淪he鈥檚 going to be sitting around the table with them on almost a daily basis,鈥 Thomas-Greenfield said. 鈥淪o, it鈥檚 important to know the individuals you are going to have to engage with, whether they are friends or foes.鈥
The failure to solve global crises
In her final emotional speech to the Security Council, Thomas-Greenfield focused on Sudan, saying she wished there was closure on one crisis the world faces 鈥 ticking off Gaza, Ukraine, Congo and other hotspots.
She told AP the U.N. and the world 鈥渉ave to be more proactive in our engagement鈥 to try to end these conflicts.
Sudan, where nearly two years of fighting and , is an example 鈥渙f where as an international community, we could have done more sooner and ended the suffering sooner.鈥
Her focus on Africa
Thomas-Greenfield, now 72, started her career as an academic and lived in Liberia, where she first saw U.S. diplomats at work and decided to join the Foreign Service in 1982.
She spent much of her more than 40-year career in Africa, returning to Liberia as ambassador, and rose to be assistant secretary of state for African affairs from 2013 to 2017, when Trump took office.
Biden brought her out of retirement to become U.N. ambassador and a member of his Cabinet.
At the United Nations, she said she鈥檚 gained a much broader perspective on and urged recognition of its immense resources 鈥 its people.
鈥淎frica is an extraordinarily young continent,鈥 Thomas-Greenfield said. 鈥淭hese young people will be the future of the world.鈥
Using 鈥榞umbo diplomacy鈥
At the U.N., Thomas-Greenfield harkened back to her Louisiana roots, saying she was going to engage in 鈥済umbo diplomacy鈥 by cooking the state鈥檚 famous dish 鈥 which mixes up lots of different flavors 鈥 for fellow diplomats.
Diplomacy is about bringing together people with different ideas, backgrounds, interests and guidance 鈥渁nd coming up with a solution that we all can live with,鈥 she said.
鈥淭hat鈥檚 what I think diplomacy is about. That鈥檚 what gumbo is about. So gumbo diplomacy has been very successful,鈥 Thomas-Greenfield said, pointing to over 200 U.N. resolutions adopted during her four years as ambassador, 77 of them drafted by the United States.
Secretary of State Antony Blinken said 鈥渟he has connected with people of all backgrounds and beliefs 鈥 using her signature 鈥榞umbo diplomacy,鈥 always speaking from the head, but also from the heart.鈥
Now, Thomas-Greenfield said she plans to spend time with her grandchildren and work with college students to encourage "the next generation of multilateralists who will be filling the halls of the United Nations.鈥
As a Black woman, she said her advice to young Black men and women is 鈥渄ream big,鈥 and if things don't go your way, look for another tack and 鈥渙pen doors that you hadn't intended to go through.鈥